Aileen from Libraries
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Tamara:Hi, I'm Natalie. And I'm Tamara. Okay, let's just get right into it today. It's a topic a lot of people love, books. Natalie, what's your favorite you've checked out from the library?
Natalie:Oh my gosh. I do have a great memory of The Road by Cormac McCarthy. More so that I went to go return it thought I could finish it at the library and it bawled my eyes out.
Tamara:Oh, not so much checked out, I'm an audiobook fan, Bravee, Alexei Pappas, highly recommend that one. Audiobooks, find once they were created, I can go and listen to far more titles than I'm was able to just to physically read. So
Natalie:Well, we'll have to say a big thank you to our guest today because she may be the reason why we got to read what we read. We are chatting with Aileen Clear. She is a collections librarian and one of the people who gets to buy all the books. Oh, it's a great job. What a person is reading can tell us a lot about their personality.
Natalie:With that in mind, what do we know about Winnipeggers based on the books they've checked out at their local library branch?
Aileen:Yeah. So I was able to kind of get a feel for different libraries have different checkouts in terms of fiction materials is kind of what I specialize in. So obviously our fiction general fiction collection is the most checked out at all branches. But we do have certain branches that tend to check out more of the different genre fiction, the more inspirational books. Our patrons at Henderson Library feel more inspired I guess you could say.
Aileen:Mystery, Westwood has a huge collection of mystery books that are checked out. Monroe is the romance Capital birth. Okay. Winnipeg.
Natalie:Yeah. By a lot? A good amount. Yeah.
Aileen:Yeah. And science fiction goes to Millennium. They they are the the sci fi group who enjoys science fiction.
Natalie:Oh, I love that.
Tamara:Yeah. The way you lit up, makes us think that you might have one of those dream jobs. You get to buy the books in our libraries. So take us through what a collections librarian does.
Aileen:Yeah. So there are three collection librarians for all of the Winnipeg Public Libraries. So we purchase for all the materials in our system. We each have specific collections that we purchase for. So my collections that I'm responsible for are the adult fiction, the adult genre fiction, adult graphic novels, our large print materials, our serials which cover magazines and newspapers, as well as all our French collection.
Aileen:So we also purchase, in terms of the physical collection, also purchase the counterpart, so the digital collection as well for those for those as well. So it's a lot of kind of what we do is looking at publisher lists that we get sent from our vendors, hot lists which come out three times a year. Those are the books that our vendors predict to be very popular. So we generally a lot of what we pick is from those lists which can be hundreds of titles long. So you'll kind of see in our catalog when those lists come out because usually the new books that show up on the new book list will be populated by hundreds of titles at the time.
Aileen:So we'll do that. It's also looking at kind of trends that we have, whether it's social media, something that's popular in social media. We'll also purchase through that. So it's certainly purchasing, looking what's out there, looking at reviews from different publishers like Library Journal and that to try to see if we want to purchase a book. And then also we create book lists for our system, as well as we look at we kind of allocate our budget to for specific collections, how much we want to spend on different collections and what we want to add, if we want to add any databases and that kind of thing.
Aileen:So we have a few a few different jobs that we we work in in collections. Although the majority of it is purchasing material.
Natalie:So you're a book buyer. And, you know, I when I go to buy a book, it's it's kind of ritualistic for myself. Or you could go get a nice coffee. You go and peruse. This is a little different.
Natalie:Yeah.
Aileen:It's not you have to kind of get into different mindset. You're not purchasing for yourself, you're purchasing for the collection. So of course there's books there that wouldn't necessarily interest me, but I know it would interest other customers. So it's kind of taking that part, your bias, and and that out of it too for the collection. But there's always, of course, books that you'll purchase and think, oh, this looks really good.
Aileen:I'd I'd be interested in it, so I'm sure others would be too. So it's a different not as maybe I guess relaxed and calming as going into a bookstore and looking for what you want, But it's still interesting to see kind of what's out there too.
Natalie:And do you have to kind
Tamara:of have a sense of of who a Winnipegger is when you're buying a book?
Aileen:I get yeah. In a sense that we'd certainly look at if I'll often look at if an author has published previously, how that book did in terms of how many copies I might buy of the book, if it's a really popular book. Sometimes that's not always indicative of the next book because sometimes that book just for whatever reason really took off. But in terms of kind of more romance, what type of romance, certainly kind of lean we're able to get kind of that statistics and see what Winnipegers are interested in because certainly some books that we see from our vendor, they'll say, oh, we thought this book was really popular in another city but didn't seem to do as well in in Winnipeg. So it's certainly there's a difference in different communities on what we're interested in.
Tamara:So with millions of new books published every year, you mentioned a little bit of of ways that you decide what ends up in our collection. In my head, I'm picturing those like Scholastic Book Fair flyers that you got as a kid in elementary school and you'd circle the books. Please tell me they look like that.
Aileen:No. Not those I do look at like Scholastic French ones that they release, for different times of the year. I'll I'll look through those and those would be similar.
Natalie:Can you get book by its cover?
Aileen:You can't like, there are books that I mean, to be fair, when they pay lots of money for people to design book covers. So it definitely is influential, but you could say, this looks really pretty, but sometimes it is the case of the book just isn't as good. But, I think for picture books, you certainly want to, in a way, judge a book by its cover and illustrations and that too because that's certainly a huge part of part of picture books as well. But, yeah, we'll look at kind of, social media trends. I try to keep track of the different many many different book clubs that celebrities have.
Aileen:I think generally the, Reese Witherspoon's book club gets a lot of, suggestions for those ones if we don't have it or they'll lot of requests on it. Oprah, are she still Oprah's with her. Yeah. It's still, her her influence is still quite, substantial for that. But yeah.
Aileen:Or what kind of we get from our vendor is just on their website. It's a a list of of books and covers and descriptions for their their hot list is what we look through. We call them kind of carts, I guess, that even though they're not physically carts, but like when you do online shopping, like a cart is what you have for it. So it's just kind of going through an online version of the cart. It'll show a picture of the the cover too.
Aileen:So sometimes that's that's nice to have that part of it.
Natalie:And and what kind of haul are we talking here? How many books or or titles are you and the other collection librarians buying on average every year?
Aileen:Every well, last year, it was a bit of an exception too because we were purchasing a lot for the new branch as well. But we purchased a 118,133 physical items were ordered last year. So that is quite a bit. So we do purchase quite a bit of material every year.
Tamara:How
Aileen:does
Tamara:it feel to put all of those in a cart
Natalie:and hit checkout? Like, I can't imagine the sense of panic and excitement of hitting by.
Aileen:It is. Although, we do it for our overdrive materials, but, how our system works for our physical materials is we'll download it and send it actually to our technicians and they'll send in the order. So it's not necessarily a a checkout button there, but sending it on too and you can see the the total amount of of what's being spent. I've gotten used to it, but at first, you're thinking, oh my gosh. That's a lot a lot of money, but a lot of happy Winnipeggers too.
Natalie:As much as you can research new titles, there is also that unpredictable nature, like you kind of said, the book clubs or even pop culture. What does, you know, book talk or or the overnight popularity of something like heated rivalry mean at your desk?
Aileen:Yeah. It's I mean, it's always fun when books become popular in in mainstream news. And so it's always always great to see, but then it does add an extra pressure that you have to all of a sudden purchase, a lot more copies of it. So I mean, trying to predict what's gonna be popular. Sometimes it is easy, but sometimes it's just a complete, in a way, fluke.
Aileen:But with BookTok, especially, I've noticed over the years kind of, oh, people requesting or suggesting books that oh, I'm not familiar with this book. And then realize, well, there's a lot of people suggesting this book and it's because it was mentioned on TikTok or became popular in that way. And some authors that maybe were more self published that became popular in TikTok BookTok We're I wouldn't say real publisher, but, with a mainstream publisher. So their books are getting more traction as well.
Natalie:And for some of the trendsetters out there, how how are they getting a hold of Winnipeg Libraries to to request something when when it's not on the shelf?
Aileen:Yeah. So customers can request through our online system. Through our website, there's a link where you can it's called suggestion for purchase. And that goes to our all our collections librarians. We for myself, I look at them once a week and go through them and see.
Aileen:Sometimes we if we don't purchase an item, it's not necessarily because we don't want it. Sometimes it's just not available. Usually we buy strictly through our vendor just because we have a contract with them. But there are some exceptions to that because sometimes local authors that we purchase books from may not necessarily be available through our vendor, but we would like to purchase them. So but, yeah, people can suggest through that form.
Aileen:How do
Tamara:you decide that sweet spot for how many copies of a title that you order? And and how quickly can you bring them in for something like Heated Rivalry where, you know, you may not have had that initially in your collection?
Aileen:Yeah. And sometimes it's a guessing game. Kinda I'll look at our vendors will indicate a first print run, how many copies that are being printed then. So generally, I would say, oh, if it's a a few 100,000, then they expect it to be a popular book. So I might look at buying more copies.
Aileen:If the author has books previous in our collection, I'll look to see how many copies I purchased previously, how they've gone in terms of checking out. But in terms of books that all of a sudden become popular, heated rivalry, it all kind of depends on what our vendor has available in their warehouse. So for those books, it it kind of depends on what they they have available and how soon we can get it. If books are available or brand new books that come out, generally, we get them in within a few days, from our vendor, and then it goes through our processing staff.
Natalie:For some of those wildcard titles, is there a is there a test branch that we have in the system that you you put that one or two copies in?
Aileen:Sometimes, I mean, Millennium tends to to get a lot just because they're a larger a larger branch too, so they have space for it as well. But I kind of try to to move it around a bit just to see how how it does in other branches too. So it's not necessarily a one fits all. What happens to the titles when they're no longer popular? Are we stuck with them or what do you do with them?
Aileen:Yeah. So we do have limited space in our branches. And when we're getting new titles, we do have to lose, I guess, or withdraw some of the the older titles, whether they're worn out, not necessarily circulating as much, or if they have outdated information. We'll look to kinda to withdraw them. And depending on what condition they're in, if they're in good shape, we'll put them in our book sale and people can come and purchase them.
Aileen:If they're in rough shape, generally, we'll send them to either be recycled.
Natalie:Speaking of those kind of worn out, much loved books, tell us tell us. What are what are those books that year over year, they they don't stop with the high demand?
Aileen:Yeah. So, generally, for fiction materials, it's usually always the classics. I'm always reordering the kind of what we call the classics anyways. So 1984, any Jane Austen books, those tend to always continually be popular. We do have kind of the popular authors like the James Patterson books tend to still keep going out.
Aileen:And in terms of nonfiction, there's one particular book that's been on the hot list for or bestseller list for a while, which is Atomic Habits. But, yeah, that one is constantly on the on the bestseller list and still popular. And I know what my my colleague, Carolyn, she's constantly ordering more copies.
Tamara:I have list I've listened to the library copy. Okay. Yeah.
Natalie:I'm writing it down. Is
Tamara:it kinda like Christmas morning when you get the books in? Can you open them right away? Do you have to wait? Like, especially when there's release dates to the public. Do you have any sort of like advanced copy sneak peek perks?
Aileen:Yeah. Generally, for the most part, we don't kinda get advanced copies. If they're released, we'll usually get them maybe a couple days after, they're released and shipped to us. We did have an exception to that, back when, I believe it was the last Harry Potter was released. We did get, copies earlier.
Aileen:And we could my colleagues said we could open the box and process them, but they could not be sent out until the actual day that they're supposed to be released.
Natalie:No breaking the spine.
Aileen:No breaking the spine. Was it tempting? I'm sure I'm sure staff were thought it would be it was pretty cool. But knowing our staff, they were probably very very certain of not to to open them and and read anything, but to have them ready and available for the public.
Tamara:Is it like stamps? Like do not open before?
Aileen:Yeah. I think there's there's probably some, type of thing on it or they had to sign something to even to to say that they wouldn't, send these out before they were, released. But my colleague to his knowledge, can't think of, another time where that happened. But it seems there isn't as much of the the big kind of midnight release parties as there as there was. Although the I think McNally Robbins is having that Court of Thorn and Roses new kind of release party for for that one.
Aileen:So that'll be popular.
Natalie:Well, you know, we love a good number around here. And so let's let's dive into the collection. I've got this written down. We have in Winnipeg Libraries, 1,013,359 physical items. That's an incredible number.
Natalie:And then you've got the digital collection on top of that. So what are some of the maybe oldest materials we have in our library branches?
Aileen:Yeah. So we have the oldest book in our branch is at in the Local History Room, which is a room that's kind of as to the name as a local history of Winnipeg and Manitoba. So we do have a lot of the older books, reference materials in that. So the oldest book that we have in that is it's a long title. It's called A Voyage to Hudson's Bay by the Dobbs Galley in California in the year 1746 and 1747 for discovering a Northwest Passage with an accurate survey of the coast and a short natural history of the country together with a fair view of facts and arguments from which the future finding of such a passage is rendered probable by Henry to
Natalie:read the book at that point.
Aileen:Which title offers the summary. So that one we have is from 1748. Oh my gosh. Wow.
Natalie:And so that's something that that doesn't leave the library.
Aileen:Correct.
Natalie:Yes. Are you allowed to even touch it?
Aileen:You can touch it. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Unbelievable.
Aileen:Good to see the titles are a
Tamara:lot shorter now. Yes.
Natalie:Is the book just as long? I have so many questions about this book right Yeah.
Aileen:It could be a very small book. Sometimes the the titles they like to have kind of basically just inform you of everything that's
Natalie:the book by the title
Natalie:then at that point. Okay. Got it.
Tamara:So from oldest to maybe some of the more popular newer things, are we moving away from some mediums and, you know, I'm thinking things like DVDs, CDs?
Aileen:We're certainly seeing not as many, borrowed in terms of DVDs and CDs. Kind of especially CDs, we're finding that, like, streaming services or even just people going on YouTube, they have act so much act more access to that that we are seeing that there's not as many much demand for it. Or even some company like DVDs, some streaming services aren't publishing kind of series or movies on DVDs anymore. So sometimes people might ask for certain ones, but until they're available on DVD, we we just wouldn't be able to get it. So there is that kind of moving away, a bit more from those, formats.
Tamara:And the library does have streaming options available. So even though you might not have a CD or DVD in the collection, maybe check out check out the digital library.
Aileen:Yeah. So for movies, we have Canopy and Hoopla. For music, we have Naxos Music Library, which will kind of have classics and jazz as well. So there's a few options there.
Natalie:Now this is a question I I imagine librarians might, you know, have have an opinion on. And that is the question of a print book versus an ebook. Interested in maybe first off, how you feel even personally and how you like to take in a book. And then, what are we seeing in our collection?
Aileen:Yeah. So, personally, I've read both, so I don't have a serious opinion on it. Sometimes ebooks are a lot handier, or I'll use audiobooks kind of on bus rides and and that, which is very convenient. So we are seeing, definitely an increase in checkouts for our digital materials. I think from 2024 to 2025, there's been 11% increase in, use of our digital collection.
Aileen:And every year, it just keeps, increasing in that. So physical items are still the most borrowed, but we are definitely seeing a rise in in e materials.
Natalie:Is there a future you could remark on where we we would not have print materials?
Aileen:I know there's been, like, for years, I think, a lot of discussion of whether we'll see it a time where there's no print materials. I can't see it, at least my future. Maybe way down the line there may be a time where yeah, it's just ebooks and it's certainly accessibility wise. Sometimes it's, for customers that need, larger prints. It's easy enough to enlarge the font size, on ebooks.
Aileen:And you can also get it right away sent to your phone. There is of course some customers and and staff that may not be necessarily comfortable with digital materials, so I think still using the physical material is is important too to have in terms of accessibility as well. We've talked already about, what people can do to maybe request books, but do
Tamara:you get people pitching you their books?
Aileen:Oh, do get think so. There are times. Yeah. So we do get, self published authors that will, send us books, as well as there's a form they can fill out, which kind of in a way pitch their books to you to to add to the collection as well. So in that sense, yes, we do get we do get pitched books to buy customers, staff, and
Tamara:yeah. Do you just kinda say like you gotta get a little more popular? Like, you tell them like, here's how we suggest you might be able to end up in our collection?
Aileen:Yeah. There are certainly times like, what we we do like to see is that kind of the if the author is really kind of promoting themselves, going having, launch parties like McNally or even just going out in the community. We like to look at reviews, because we can't obviously, generally, unless maybe it's a picture book, read the whole book. So we like to see what other people are are interested in. So if they can get reviews, either professional reviews sometimes too, depending on if they're with a self published or have the publisher.
Aileen:Usually a publisher can kind of help with that too. So we do look at that kind of thing, as well. And if they can get it, through our vendors
Natalie:as well,
Tamara:that would be helpful.
Natalie:Yeah. So in solidarity, you're not the only one being pitched because we asked the city of Winnipeg's social media followers to to pitch us some questions to ask. And
Tamara:People are very passionate about their books.
Natalie:Thank you so much
Natalie:to everyone who who responded. And we've already covered, actually, a couple of them in the conversation, but we've got a few others to to put in your ear. Starting with this came from at you got dashes throughout the name, but Jeff. Why doesn't the library accept used book donations?
Aileen:Yeah. So, we did used to, at one point, accept used book donations, And we just found that, the majority of the books we just couldn't use or add to our collection. And, cost wise, it didn't make sense for the library to continue, doing that in terms of we'd have to maybe add them to the collection or catalog them, process them with our staff. And that's just the number of items that we would add to the collection. It didn't just didn't quite make sense.
Aileen:There are other places that you can donate books to. The Friends of Library does take book donations. They do have a link to our on our website of what materials they accept. So you can certainly look to see if materials you have are ones that they may be interested in. And then of course the Children's Hospital book sale that they might be able to accept those donations as well.
Natalie:Okay, great. We can add that to our show notes.
Tamara:Okay, next one is coming from WPG Kris with a K. Libby's the best. I agree with him here. But could the library buy more holds? It seems they're always at their limits.
Tamara:How does that work?
Aileen:Yeah. So, we do have kind of a holds ratio that we try to keep in terms of both physical and digital, collection. And so and sometimes there are a limited number of copies we're able to purchase, but sometimes it also depends on the price. The digital materials can be quite expensive, especially the audiobooks. So we do kind of restrict on how many copies we purchase.
Aileen:There is a was it Yesteryear, which I was just purchasing additional copies for. Currently has, I think, about 1,200 requests on the audiobook, which is quite high. So I did purchase more copies for that. But usually, it kind of comes down to cost, which is why we also limit it or change the number of holds customers are able to place on it too. Our hope was that we would be able to kind of meet the holds ratio much easier and that it would be quicker for customers to get the holds of the books they're able to place.
Aileen:So that's kind of unfortunately, it does in a way come down to money. But we do try our best to hopefully, we have other books that are available that might be of interest while you wait for your your hold to come in.
Natalie:I've wondered that before. What like, can you share what is the the cost of a digital?
Aileen:Yeah. So for audiobooks, they can range from kind of $60 all the way up. There's some that are like $160. Wow. And some of them we would have a permanent copy in our collection, but some is, we'd either have it for twelve months, twenty four months.
Tamara:Oh, really?
Aileen:Sometimes twenty six checkouts. So there is a range, of lending, period for for certain items too.
Tamara:Question there now, for the print books, do we pay the price on the back?
Aileen:No. Okay. So we do get a discount through our vendor for for print materials. It's about I think it's about 40% discount generally for for that. There are some exceptions.
Aileen:Cheaper than an audiobook.
Natalie:Yes. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, wait. I I'm looking at our producer.
Natalie:It's Shannay, and and it looks like she has a question.
Tamara:Passing the mic over.
Shannay:Hi. Yes.
Natalie:Long time listener.
Shannay:Long time listener, big time fan. You mentioned yesteryear is really popular right now, and I am also listening to that audiobook. I like to listen to books before the movie comes out. So my question to you is, are you looking at what's coming up as far as like big cinema hits that you think might cause a trend and what people are looking for at the library?
Aileen:Yeah. So I do keep an ear out and an eye out for, different adaptations. Different place I follow on social media, I'll have them listed. And usually, I'll look one if we have copies of the book. And two, if there's kind of if I can see an increase in demand, for it, if there are holds placed.
Aileen:But I'll also kinda look to see, do we have very many copies and and might add more to it because there is, definitely a demand for it once the movie maybe it's comes a bit closer saying there's a trailer for it in that too. The summer we had, I think, Odyssey became a bit more popular, the many different editions of it. And, well, Heated Rivalry, of course, is the a good example too of of recent popularity. So, yeah, we'll do keep I'll definitely keep an eye out to see what's what adaptations are are coming out.
Tamara:Alright. And last one from the socials. This one goes actually beyond our books, and thank you to Troy James one. What are some items available in our branches or services available for people and they might not even realize or be aware of them?
Aileen:Yeah. So we always say kind of libraries you think books, but we do offer a lot more than just books. I'd say specifically in the idea mill, we offer people can come in there, use sewing machines, computers for different graphic design, sound booths if they want to record themselves, podcast or or musical instruments. So we do have a lot of kind of physical items that are available. And then in terms of programs, of course, we have many many programs for all ages.
Aileen:I think one kind of neat program that we have is a sensory story time for people that and kids that may need kind of dimmer lights and that kind of thing too, which is and I think is a really nice offering that that we have too.
Natalie:Can I give a shout out to Barb at the Harvey Smith Library for Baby Rhyme Time? She's incredible.
Aileen:Barb is amazing. Speaking
Natalie:of recommendations, I've been writing down where I got Atomic Habits, I got Things to to pick up and wondering just because of where you work and and and all this information you're constantly collecting, how do your friends and family treat you when it comes to a book recommendation?
Aileen:I I think they like, my sister and I have similar reading interests. So definitely, like, she likes horror. I like horror. So we'll kind of I'll say, oh, this new book coming out, do you want me to put your name on the list for it? Or it might be of interest to her.
Aileen:So hers is really easy to recommend. And so far, she's enjoyed most of what I recommended. And that but definitely kind of if I know someone is interested or likes this author and series, and that'll certainly let them know, oh, there's a new book coming out. You might wanna you know, on the list. So and friends for sure will kind of ask me what what new books are out or what would be a good addition if they enjoyed this particular book.
Tamara:What would young Aileen think of what she grew up to be?
Aileen:Yeah. So, I was thinking of this. I actually, used to pretend that I did work in a library when I was little.
Tamara:See, dream job. Right there.
Aileen:Exactly. So I think I think just this job and working here definitely would have been kind of for many years kind of a dream position. Working in library, but then also kind of working with collections, I think would have been definitely a dream job. So she would have a good good job. And how long
Tamara:have you been with the Libraries?
Aileen:I've been with it since 2007.
Natalie:Awesome.
Natalie:Yeah. And I have heard, you know, sprinklings of this. But tell us in in full, what is a a good day on the job look like for you?
Aileen:I think a good day is really kind of purchasing material that customers either requested, suggested, or would be interested in and knowing kind of you probably made maybe not made their day, but made them excited thinking, oh, I get to read this book that I've always wanted to read and that. So I think just purchasing, yeah, purchasing material for for customers that they're they're interested in or seeing a book that you order that there's holds on it. So, you know, okay. At least someone wants to wants to read it and is interested in it.
Natalie:I know you're a transit user. You know, when you look around at folks, have you have you ever caught someone reading one of your books?
Aileen:Yes. I remember my, colleague who who had my physician, she said, oh, the first time she saw someone read a book that she had ordered was pretty exciting. I'm like, yeah. I had that. It was pretty cool.
Natalie:And last question for you. Now it's something that that listeners would recognize because we ask everybody because it's just great to hear. If you could share just one last thing that you wish everybody knew about Winnipeg, I wonder what would it be?
Aileen:Think just the diversity of Winnipeg, which is reflected in our collections. We have 22 different language books plus French that we carry. So we just have such a wonderfully diverse population that I think not a lot of people know about Winnipeg. We're kind of the center of Canada. But we have just and you could see it with folklorama.
Aileen:It's just wonderfully diverse that hopefully reflects in our collection as well.
Tamara:Brilliant. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Natalie:This was so much fun.
Aileen:Oh, thank you very much.
Tamara:If you wanna keep the book talk going, check out Time to Read. It's the Winnipeg Public Libraries Podcast and you can find it anywhere you find this podcast. It's a great one. Have a listen. Also wanna give a shout out to Winnie the Pooh because its first book is celebrating, what is it, a 100?
Tamara:And you know it's a popular one in our libraries.
Natalie:You're looking good, old bear. Coming up next month on Our City, Our Podcast. We're doing something maybe a little different. Great companion to this episode, but ready for spooky season.
Tamara:Spooky season it is. Carnegie Library has a lot of lore around it, and we're gonna dive in and hear some of the ghost stories.
Natalie:Some of the stories that the city staff have have never shared before.
Tamara:And might be unexplained. You'll have to have a listen. If you have any questions, not only about Carnegie Library, but books, anything that you want us to chat about here on this podcast, email us please, city podcastwinnipeg. Ca with what you'd like to hear us chat about. Thanks for listening.
Natalie:Bye for now.
