Inspector Peters from Winnipeg Police Service
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Natalie:This podcast is recorded in Treaty 1 Territory, the home and traditional lands of the Anishinaabe, Ininew, and Dakota peoples, and the national homeland of the Red River Metis. We acknowledge that our drinking water comes from Shoal Lake forty first Nation in Treaty 3 territory. Hi, I'm Natalie.
Tamara:And I'm Tamara. Natalie, usually on this podcast, we talk about Winnipeg as a whole, all the fun, different, unique things that go on in the city.
Natalie:But let's maybe center it a little bit more.
Natalie:On a great neighborhood, the downtown. And in particular, we're going to talk about safety. Before we get into it, a couple acronyms are brought up that we want to
Natalie:clarify. OPK is an indigenous social service agency
Tamara:And DCSP, they are the Downtown Community Safety Partnership, a nonprofit organization that helps folks downtown 20 fourseven. Let's get into this.
Natalie:So Inspector Peters, thank you for joining us. You are the divisional commander of the Central District, which, you know, kind of in layman's terms, puts you as a leader in the downtown.
Inspector Peters:That's correct.
Natalie:Yes. And there's, you know, there's so much to talk about here. But let's, you know, focus this podcast is about getting to know people and their work. So why don't we start with you? Kind of an easier one.
Natalie:How do you get downtown?
Inspector Peters:Well, I actually ride the bus, and, I've been taking the bus now since I moved downtown to our new HQ building back in, I think it was almost 2016. So the bus was a convenient way for me to quickly get in and out of downtown. I soon realized it was about fifteen minutes quicker than driving my own car, especially in rush hour. And it's also a chance for me to unwind and just sit and not have to worry about driving my car and just sit back and enjoy the ride. Often I listen to a podcast on the bus on the way home and I do the park and ride.
Inspector Peters:It's super convenient. And it also allows me to take in the community. Know, when you're riding the bus, I get to sit and watch and observe people and observe the downtown and observe the community. And I take note of things, I I find it's a a really interesting and enjoyable thing that is important, especially in my role as the inspector of downtown is to have that perspective.
Natalie:Mhmm. And you know, our downtown has has had some major changes over the last few years. How have you experienced that that change?
Inspector Peters:You know, I think we've we've gone through a lot of big social justice impact events. Right? When we when we first of all, like, think back to before 02/2018 into 02/2018 when we first begin to understand the impact of meth as a new drug into our community and the impact of that drug upon not only the people that are using it but also the impact on those in the community around the substance abuse and the effects of what is turning out to be quite a unique drug in the way that it impacts somebody's behavior and impacts their health and their well-being. And then of course we kind of get hit by the pandemic which was extremely isolating for everyone and you know I rode a bus when there was only three people on the bus and I was coming downtown to work every day and now compare that to our daily routine now when the buses are full again and the standing room only you know on some of the routes and it's just such a difference but I still think you know some of those times the ripple effects are still there.
Tamara:The crowds now downtown and the tall buildings that's different than your upbringing.
Inspector Peters:Very much so. Was born and raised in rural England on a dairy farm and I moved to Canada in 1992 to another dairy farm in rural Southern Manitoba. But the nature I always wanted to be a police officer since I was 10 years old and I wanted to be a police officer in the city because there's so much opportunity to do different types of policing and to develop different schools skills and have different experiences. Where when we moved to Canada with my family, I immediately wanted to join the Winnipeg Police Service. And I went to school here, went to the U of M and spent some time as an athlete representing Manitoba.
Inspector Peters:And so when I eventually joined the Winnipeg Police Service, it truly was realization of a dream and a goal for me that had been something that I had dreamt of ten or more years.
Natalie:Tell us more about that, because it is really just always so compelling why folks are drawn to the work that they do. What is it in police work that you find so interesting?
Inspector Peters:You know, think the standard answer that everybody kind of gives to that question is I want to serve people or I want to help people. And there certainly is an element of that. I think I have a heart serving people and the first question I always ask anybody whether it's inside of our organization or outside is how can I help? But for me there was more to it than that because I'm also interested and fascinated by behavior. You know, what makes people behave the way they do?
Inspector Peters:I think that lends to being someone who's driven to try and find ways to solve problems, to solve social problems, to solve justice problems and look at situations uniquely and creatively and think outside of the box because it's always so easy to look at something from face value and just to see a person's behavior in that moment. But I always ask the greater question or the bigger question of what brought an individual to that moment when they're engaged in that behavior and especially ones that might have implications in a criminal justice system, long lasting implications to victims and their families and you're like when you take a pause and you step back and go we can address the behavior in the moment. As police service we do that and that's our job to do that is immediately address safety issues in the moment. But if we really want to tackle downtown safety, we really want to tackle the issue of community safety, it takes leaders to take a step back and go what drives those behaviors? What is the root cause of those behaviors and how can we start to look at some of the causes?
Inspector Peters:Because if we don't, we just end up in a cycle where we just address the issues in the moment and if we're not addressing those root causes then we're back there again in two weeks or a few months addressing those same behaviors again.
Tamara:That leads us to the work that you're doing today right now particularly with Winnipeg's Downtown Safety Strategy. People who aren't familiar with this what is it exactly and how might they interact with it?
Inspector Peters:So for the last few years there has been a group that has come together under the umbrella of downtown safety and it really is a group of volunteers of community leaders and leaders from different community agencies such as the DCSP and the BIZ and Winnipeg Fire Paramedic Service and also community leaders being the property owners and business owners that really want to stand up and do what they can for creating a safe downtown. And those people have come together as a group, and we've been meeting quarterly now for for a few years to look at different things that we can either action or we can advocate for the ways that we can collaborate to ensure that, you know, safety and individual needs and well-being is is is truly a balancing act. And when you think about how can we address some of the root causes of behavior that lead to an unsafe community, It really is through that full lens of the spectrum of care and the spectrum of response and how we can respond to an individual, but also how we can support individuals in the long term receiving the care that they need.
Inspector Peters:So you know the Winnipeg Police Service we're certainly in the moment to situations that do or higher as a risk to public safety and certainly we have duties and responsibilities under the criminal code that we can take action if and when required but then we also have agencies like the DCSP who can meet people through a well-being and community lens who if somebody needs social navigation to certain needs whether it be housing, whether it be shelter, whether it be food, whether it be medical, we have the WFPS. There's a lot of work that is now being undertaken through a collaborative lens between all these agencies kind of on that spectrum of care and then response to ensure that we're looking at it as a whole rather than an individual moment.
Natalie:And can you help us understand and make sure we get this theory about a continuum? Maybe to give us some examples of how you are ensuring that these approaches of partnership alternative responses are actually improving outcomes for the people involved.
Inspector Peters:So you know a great example might be someone who is houseless or somebody who's struggling in community that has behaviors that if a person is not known to them can make somebody feel unsafe. They may be behaving in a bizarre way. They might be shouting. They might be physically overactive. They might be angry, she even showing displays of anger.
Inspector Peters:You know, in that moment, we have to take a pause and understand what's driving that behavior. So when we look at the spectrum of care that we have now, we can have where it doesn't really matter who's first on scene or who gets called to that situation first because each of us are aware of the different responses that are available now And we can call what we think would be the most appropriate level of response. So if there's nothing criminal that has happened and there's nothing that has physically impacted another person or their property, we can start by asking how can we help? Right? And that's again the very first question.
Inspector Peters:How can I help? How can we make first of all contact with that person, identify ourselves, start building that relationship, identify who that person is and what some of their needs may be. And if it is, you know, an issue that we think is derived from a lack of the social needs or individual needs, if we have concerns over mental health, you know, we now have the ARC team that can come out into community and do a mental health assessment. Does that person need to go to a hospital? Do they need to see a doctor or a nurse?
Inspector Peters:Can we support them in community without having to take them to emergency department for care? All of these questions now, we can actually bring the experts into community to meet the person where they're at, rather than even have to take them somewhere.
Natalie:And to ensure we understand this, can you also describe what, you know, a high level of need and response might be?
Inspector Peters:So when I think of a high level of need or response, means the individual need might be high, but also the risk to public safety is high, right? So in those circumstances we might have somebody who's been assaulted. We might have somebody who's had their car broken into, a window smashed. We might have somebody that's had something stolen from them. Now we see that the impact to community, impact to public safety is visible and that needs to be addressed because if we don't address it, then that can just continue and it can also escalate over time.
Inspector Peters:So when we look at the steps that we have to that, we have options within restorative justice. If we lay a criminal charge, there might be options with a community crown to find meaningful ways to address that in providing that person support. Again, there's also though the avenue through criminal court. If a person is involuntary or doesn't want to participate in the supports that's been offered to them, there's still an accountability that needs to be in place for a person's behavior, when it impacts other people and their ability to engage and enjoy a place or be part of a community safely. You have a unique perspective of of seeing downtown, I think, different way than most of us do.
Inspector Peters:What are some of the top concerns that you're working on in the downtown? So the the top concerns that I think that for downtown are that the people that live here, the people that come down to work here, the people that visit downtown, and the people that even invest in downtown and have have poured their heart and souls into businesses and properties and are supporting the downtown community. We want to ensure that they have the best experience of downtown they possibly can. So when we look at some of the crime that happens, we have crime index and crime analysis stats that we look at on a monthly, quarterly. I mean, it's always readily available to us.
Inspector Peters:We look at the trends that we're seeing. So what kind of crime? Is it petty crime? Is it crime that's related to drugs or organized crime or violence? So we look at that.
Inspector Peters:But we also look at a person's disability to come down and enjoy a special event, whether it be a concert series, whether it be the Jets regular season games. We've got the playoffs, whiteouts. So, you know, there's a lot of resources. And I think, again, coordination of those resources to ensure that people can be proud of where they live. People can be proud to ensure that visitors come down to downtown to enjoy those events can do so and do so in a safe way.
Inspector Peters:And that means when all of us that are partners of downtown safety and we have a visible presence, people can recognize those visible presence and understand that these people, whether it be the BIS or DCSP or Community Safety Officers or Winnipeg Police, whether it's the Foot Patrol or a Cadet Unit, they're here. They're here for you. They're here for everyone in downtown and it doesn't matter who you approach or who you go and ask for help. They're able to either connect you to the help you need or to find a resolution.
Natalie:And tell us more about relief. So when we're talking about Winnipeg's in particular downtown safety strategy, how does this system look when it is working as expected?
Inspector Peters:I think the system works when the first person on on scene or the, you know, if if there's an incident in which makes somebody feel unsafe, they would look around them and they'd be able to visibly identify one of the community safety partners very quickly. And they'd be able to wave them over or flag them down for some assistance. That first person that responds in that moment, the first question they would ask would be, How can I help? And they would be able to kind of talk with the person and understand immediately, you know, gauge is this a high safety situation? Is there a high risk of public safety?
Inspector Peters:You know, if I'm not a police officer, do we need to call the police down here right away? Or is this more of a social need? Can this be dealt with through a well-being lens? Because the risk to public safety isn't that as high as maybe the need of the individual. And so in that moment, that person can make an assessment and then be very able to connect with the right resource.
Inspector Peters:Unless if the right resource is not themselves, then they'd be able to engage and ensure that that right resource and there's a warm hand off them, right? It's like, I'll stay here and wait with you and we'll make sure that the right people are here to assist you in whatever needs it might be. And that in that moment, can see that because it's not just one person. There will be multiple people, you know, whether it's during the lunch hour, if it's in skywalks, or if it's on the streets or at a bus stop. You know, any of us can see these situations happening, whether it's once or twice or a couple times a day and hopefully less and less, where somebody is in need of a response and people see the response.
Inspector Peters:But people understand the response. They understand what's happening. They understand that that response is there and the type of responses that is required and how they work and I think when the community understands how all of these different people and all of these different agencies are here working together and working for them and creating a downtown, a safer downtown, I think that's what we're all working together to achieve.
Natalie:And you know Inspector Peters you're wearing uniform today but you also experience our downtown I imagine sometimes as a civilian without a uniform on. Can you describe maybe what you've witnessed as a success in this new approach?
Inspector Peters:Just a couple weeks ago, I was on my way to the bus stop and I was on my way home, so I wasn't in uniform. And a gentleman I could see was talking to some people and I could see the people he was talking to felt unsafe just by their reactions. And and this gentleman was was quite reactive, and you could tell he was he was quite tense, but I wasn't observing anything, you know, that necessarily required a call to police. And so I I just began to have a conversation with the gentleman and I thought that this could, you know, it might be resolved by connecting them with one of our well-being resources. And so I had the gentleman walk with me for a little ways and we had, we were just conversing and I was waiting to see if I I could make visual contact with one of the the safety teams and and just around the corner, like within two minutes, a group of DCSP workers walked by and I just flagged them.
Inspector Peters:I waved them over and they walked over and they they knew this individual's name. And not only that, but, they were able to connect with him right away and in his pocket, he had one of their business cards and they said, one of our social navigators has been waiting to connect with you. You were meant to meet with them. So why don't you come with us right now and you can go talk to them because they've been working on some things for you. And he said, okay, and off he went with the DCSP back to their offices.
Inspector Peters:And that's exactly how I see that working is that when you see a situation, you know, I didn't have to step in but I did because I have knowledge and I have perspective and awareness and I also wanted to understand you know does this does this work? How does this work? And it did it worked exactly the way that I think we all hope it it does, is that when you engage and you realize there's a need, you're able to assess kind of what you think the right response should be and then you are able to look around you and then within a few minutes you're able to see someone that can help you and what was great in this moment is they'd already done some work, they'd already built some relationship and having that connection and having that positive relationship with that individual meant that that situation was very, very quickly and amicably resolved. And everybody who saw that and the people that felt unsafe in the beginning of that interaction just felt comforted in knowing that everybody's here for them, everybody's here for each other. We're all working towards this and the work that is being done every day pays off.
Inspector Peters:You may not know it in the moment of that day, their first interactions, but it pays off for the long run because there will be further interactions. There's no magic here. There's no one interaction solves everything. There will be an ongoing work that needs to happen, especially with some individuals. And being able to have a front seat at some of the work that's being going on it makes me incredibly proud.
Inspector Peters:I'm incredibly proud of everything that the leaders within Winnipeg are doing to work together and really try to impact the downtown community in a positive way for everyone.
Tamara:What you did is something that anybody can do in that situation. Now you mentioned that not everybody would feel comfortable maybe approaching the individual but if you're seeing somebody who has a need or experiencing an extreme behavior we should connect with somebody in the safety team. So how can we know who we're looking for and how can we kind of alert them because I'm sure most people listening would assume let's phone police and that's not always the right answer.
Inspector Peters:No it's not. It's not to say that you can't. Anybody's free to call the police at any time and I would never tell anybody to hesitate in doing so if you feel that's something you need to or want to do. But I would say if somebody were to approach you and that person made you feel unsafe, I would immediately look around you and not be afraid to flag down the first person that you see wearing any type of visible, you know, garment or badge or identify as, you know, I think that could be somebody that could help me. Because any one of us, any one of those organizations should be able to come up and stand beside you and help you in that moment and at least make you feel safer because now you're not alone, we're together.
Inspector Peters:And then say, you know what, if we can't figure this out together, I'll call. Maybe I will call the police if not a police officer you flag down. And if it's the DCSP and the DCSP come and stand beside you and they're like, you know what, I think we'll get somebody from foot patrol down here to help us navigate this. But that's exactly it. Everyone has a role and having all of these visible presence available to everyone, we can all come alongside each other to support each other, whether we have all the answers in that moment or not, we're still there to support and strength comes from that, right?
Inspector Peters:We talk about that and being together and having an awareness and working together with the same goals and the same vision. There's strength that comes from that and the strength, I think, that comes to the community in that. And whether it's somebody who lives downtown who sees something that's happening and wants to come up beside and just stand with that person so they're not alone and help them make the right phone call or help them make the right contact with someone. I think that's truly what being part of a community is about.
Tamara:Members of the safety team are very visual. You mentioned DCSP. How can I identify who's on the safety team and what role they play?
Inspector Peters:So there's many people right when you look at all the different organizations we have the DCSP, we have the BIS, we have Winnipeg Police, Foot Patrol as well as the cadets. We have some community resources like Bear Clan and we have OPK. We have community safety officers and we all wear slightly different clothes and badges. And so the BIS wear orange, the DCSP wear green, the community safety officers, they're they're in those bright yellow fluorescent jackets. And I think everybody would recognize the Winnipeg Police Foot Patrol and our uniform for sure.
Inspector Peters:The cadets are in bright blue. Bear Clan, they wear the safety vests. So theirs is more of a vest and OPK wear those safety vests and I think they have the yellow safety vest with the orange fluorescent stripes on them. So when you see those bright, highly visible fluorescent colors, they're the ones that you can give a wave to and just wave someone over and we'll be on the lookout.
Natalie:It does feel important though to ask, what is the difference between this visible presence you're describing and what some might call over policing?
Inspector Peters:I think those who would worry that those who worry about over policing should understand that we as a police service are working actively to ensure that individuals needs are met and that we're partnering with community groups and that we're partnering with social agencies and health agencies to ensure that we are there, to warmly hand off when police are not necessary if we're the first on scene. And that if we are responsible to attend the call for service, it's because somebody has called us because they feel as though police are the right resource. And even in that moment, we arrive and we're on scene and we determine that, you know what, this isn't necessary for police to become engaged, we have avenues and options ready and available for us to hand that individual off to a different agency or a different resource. But I still think it's important and I know that community have asked for police to be a visible presence downtown because there is an important part of being a visible presence that is also a proactive presence. And sometimes the visible presence of police do deter people who attend downtown, who might be members of organized crime or who might be intent on committing crime, property crime, and and theft that knowing that there's a police presence deters them from doing that in the first place.
Inspector Peters:So it is always an important balance but there is every avenue there is a necessary part of having a safety continuum response is that there is a response for every situation and that we're able to recognize what is the appropriate response and do a warm handoff and de escalate and if police are required then we're able to do so and ensure that public safety is upheld.
Tamara:Is it fair to say that this level of coordination is something that's new it hasn't happened before?
Inspector Peters:I think only in that we have new tools that we've never had before right so when we have the ability to work with new agencies and organizations. There is always a learning process and this is just new for everybody. Having the ability to work with other agencies that have been provided to community to have expertise in certain areas. This is fantastic and I think this is why it's so positive for Downtown Winnipeg. And Winnipeg as a city in the whole is that our city leaders and our government leaders have recognized the need and is actively working to ensure that there are resources in place to address those specific needs.
Inspector Peters:And so it's only new in the fact that there are new entities and now we're all working together and we're creating those pathways for people and it really is exciting times.
Natalie:Now I have to reveal we always do have a little bit of bias on this podcast and it's for Winnipeg. And it's always fun to ask those that join us. What in your view, do you see as anything you know, to Winnipeg that that could really be setting us up for success here?
Inspector Peters:I I think Winnipeg truly could be kind of the lighthouse for this. In that Winnipeg's the perfect size. It's not too big in that. Well, it's not too big and it's not too small, meaning that we do have the right resources because we're big enough to have resources in place. And we're able, I think, uniquely able to see how these resources can truly have a positive impact and measure that success over the next coming years because again it's going to take some time but we have a clear vision and we have clear goals of what we're working towards and we certainly have the support.
Inspector Peters:And so when we look at Winnipeg, you know, I think it's ideal that first of all, we're at the center of Canada, and we are at the center of two rivers and, you know, for the indigenous culture and the indigenous lands. This this is where people from across the world came to meet and trade and share in ideas, and really learn how to work together to build community. And so I think, you know, given that that's Winnipeg's history is that it's it would be incredible to to show the rest of Canada what we could do with the resources that we now have and and truly raise downtown up, raise the level of community safety up and work together to to really be the lighthouse for for the entire country is this is what you can do when a city works together and works together in the same direction with the same heart. We're all here to serve each other. We're all here to take the responsibility on of building a better, safer, more positive community.
Inspector Peters:And I always say we all have a role to play in that. And whether you're someone who lives downtown, whether you're a member of one of the the teams, whether you wear a brightly colored jacket, or whether you ride the bus, Everybody has a role to play in supporting each other. Know, the pandemic isolated us, but now is the time to move out of that isolation and to come and stand beside our community members. Stand beside the people you ride the bus with, stand beside the people you walk the skywalks with and attend the concerts and the Jets games and go, you know, if I see someone in need, I can come and stand beside them while we get them the help that they need. And there's really not too many people too far away who's willing to do that for each other.
Tamara:You mentioned just a few of the great events that go on downtown. You've got the Jets, Jazz Fest, Fringe, the list goes on. What's the relationship between major events like those and the safety strategy?
Inspector Peters:There are big events as you know right through the the city and we have a so Winnipeg Police team, we have a special events unit that works on all of those coordinating resources, assessing for the number of resources required. When it's downtown and and these events are really focused on social enjoyment and creating a wonderful, vibrant, positive community. You know, for downtown, we're looking at, how we collaborate just by ensuring we have a visible presence. And if there is a need that arises, we have someone not too far away to help with that need. And really because it again, it talks to the visible presence of people seeing and feeling safe so that they can come down and enjoy those events and knowing that there are resources in place.
Inspector Peters:And so no matter where that event is in downtown, people will reach out and ask us to to support them in ensuring they are able to host a safe event. And so for us in downtown, we're working with our partners and and we're ensuring that we have a collaborative response and we're also engaging with our larger special events team. Something like the White Out playoff series, that's an extremely large event and that requires a lot more coordination and a lot more resources. So it does depend on the size of the footprint of the event and how many people are attending as as to who takes the lead. But it it certainly goes back to that, ensuring that that people know when they see a visible presence that they understand their role and that they understand they can go to them for for anything.
Natalie:And what do you want Winnipegger's to to know and understand, particularly when you hear people say, they don't think our downtown is safe?
Inspector Peters:Yeah. And I can certainly understand because within any city across the world, there are incidents that happen on a daily basis, which would make any individual feel unsafe. And there are incidents across the city, not just downtown but in every area of the city we have incidents every day. That certainly makes people feel unsafe. But then we have to understand that we also have a lot of resources now down in our downtown that we're working together and being as proactive as we possibly can and not just responding to incidents when they happen but we're actually looking at it through a proactive lens at how can we keep our downtown safer.
Inspector Peters:So I would encourage people that this is this is part of life. You know, there are situations that are gonna happen every day that aren't aren't positive ones that can certainly meet make people feel unsafe. But I think we, you know, if that's the only thing you focus on, then that might become your reality. But when you actually look around and see all the positive things going on, You know, I see our buses are full every day. I see so many community events that are scheduled, so many social activities that are scheduled.
Inspector Peters:There is so many positive things that are happening. And now all of these resources, and I see all the people that are out there in the brightly colored vests, and I walk out every day. I walk out in the skywalks. I walk out into the streets, and I ride the buses. And if you look for the positive, you will see it and it will be far more than you ever expected it to be.
Inspector Peters:So I think it depends what you are looking for. If you look for the negative, you will certainly find it. But if you take the time to look for the positive, you will be overwhelmed, I think, just how much and how many positive things we have going on downtown.
Tamara:For you, what does success of the downtown safety strategy look like?
Inspector Peters:I wanna focus on people feeling safer. Despite everything, I think people feeling safer will come through one of two things. First of all, they have a really good understanding of all the work that's going in to make downtown safer. And secondly, is that when they ask for help, they're able to get it and they understand what help looks like. Help may not just be a police officer, it might be somebody else.
Inspector Peters:It might be a community member that comes, stands alongside you. It might be a DCSP member. But I think that when people feel supported and when they don't feel alone and when they have the right information and they understand all the work that's going on to make downtown safer, I think that is the truly the goal because I think we will be safer and I think we'll be able to move the dial And so it comes in two ways. It comes through knowledge and understanding and that how, what is the response in that moment. So when we're able to deliver a full response and people are to have a positive reaction to that response in a moment where previously they might have just felt unsafe and isolated and not knowing what to do and not knowing who to call and not knowing what the right thing is and not having someone come alongside them, whether it just be a person that lives downtown or whether it's somebody in a brightly colored vest who is actually there for them.
Inspector Peters:I think that is the difference when we've established a community and a community that understands how we're all supporting each other. That is the goal.
Natalie:Well, oh my gosh, thank you for this. I do feel like I'm going to walk out the building and look at things a little differently today. Now before you go, you've shared so much. One last thing that we do ask everyone is, is to share something about Winnipeg you wish everyone knew. It could be work related, but but it doesn't have to be.
Inspector Peters:I think this goes back to, Winnipeg being at the center and the heart of the country. And I think when you look at Winnipeg, I want people to understand this that no matter where you come from, no matter what your passion is, no matter what your culture or what you like to do, so what type of food you like to eat, what kind of tourist activities you like, what sports you like, what kind of if you're into history or if you're into the arts, Winnipeg has it all. It's all right here in one perfectly sized city at the meeting place of two rivers. And no matter what brings joy to your heart, you will find it here in Winnipeg.
Natalie:Lovely. Thank you so much.
Tamara:Natalie, that was great to hear Inspector Peter's perspective on all those things. It was, I think really insightful.
Natalie:Yeah. You know, we have this great downtown to live in, to visit, to enjoy. And then coming up on next month's podcast, we're going to expand that maybe a little bit and how we enjoy the rest of our city.
Tamara:That's right. We're talking leisure guide, pools, spray pads, arenas, all those fun places. We are chatting with our manager of recreation services.
Natalie:And just before we go, we always love to hear from our listeners. If you have anything you want us to chat about, send us an email at City- Podcast@Winnipeg. ca. Thanks for listening.
